“Black theology challenges United to make racism its issue”: An Interview with Dr. Demian Wheeler.

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Dr. Demian Wheeler with Dr. James Cone

Dr. James Cone, author of A Black Theology of Liberation and numerous other publications, Charles Augustus Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary, and seminal thinker in the field of black liberation theology, passed away on April 28, 2018. On Wednesday, October 3, Nkosi Anderson, former research assistant for Cone, will deliver the lecture “Finding Your Voice: James Cone and the Challenge of Black Theology” at United. United’s own Dr. Demian Wheeler, who is helping to organize the lecture, earned his Ph.D. from Union, where he not only studied under Cone but served as his teaching assistant. This semester, Dr. Wheeler is also teaching a course on Black Theology that he has dedicated to the memory of Dr. Cone. Last week I interviewed Dr. Wheeler about his class, Jame Cone, and Anderson’s lecture.

MBK: Anderson’s lecture “Finding Your Voice: James Cone and the Challenge of Black Theology” promises to examine the legacy of James Cone’s work in black theology, including its contemporary influence. How is your class, Black Theology, doing something similar?

DW: The Black Theology course examines the history of black theology beginning with its emergence and early developments in the late 1960s and early 1970s and then tracking the evolution of black theology through the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. Because James Cone is the chief architect of black liberation theology, much of the class will be devoted to his work. In fact, I am dedicating the class to his memory. However, we will also be reading some of Cone’s sharpest critics, from womanist theologians like Delores Williams and Monica Coleman, to second-generation black theologians like Victor Anderson and Cornel West, to African-American humanists like William R. Jones and Anthony Pinn. We will also devote a couple of weeks to the immediate historical influences on the rise of black theology: the civil rights and black power movements (led by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and Malcolm X, respectively) and an earlier African-American theological tradition known as the “black social gospel” (we will be reading one of the classics of the black social gospel tradition, Howard Thurman’s Jesus and the Disinherited).

MBK: What does it mean to teach Black Theology at a predominantly white institution? How might Black Theology, as a discipline and body of work, challenge the theology that many of our students have?

DW: One question Cone frequently asked was: Why don’t white theologians and white Christians ever make racism their issue? In an interview in 2006, he lamented that most white theologians write as if slavery, colonialism, and segregation never existed. He went on to challenge white theologians and white churches to speak out in a sustained and prophetic way about racial injustice. This course is an attempt to answer Cone’s challenge. I am not saying that this one course somehow pardons us for our failure to confront white supremacy. We have a long way to go on that front. United has a long way to go on that front. This course is simply one effort, a modest and insufficient effort, to address the problem of race and racism—forcefully, seriously, and, most of all, theologically. And my hope is that this course, along with Nkosi’s lecture on October 3, will be a catalyst for a seminary-wide conversation about race.

I believe teaching Black Theology at a predominantly white institution challenges all of us—myself included—to confront the ways in which the “cancer” of racism continues to infect our churches, our seminaries, our theologies, and even our own souls. Black theology challenges all of us—myself included—to acknowledge our own complicity in the brutal and ongoing legacy of white supremacy in the United States. Black theology challenges United to make racism its issue and to renew its commitment to fighting for racial justice and beckoning—and becoming—the beloved community.

MBK: On a more personal level, you studied with James Cone. How has his teaching and his scholarship affected your own work, as a professor and as a theologian?

DW: Yes, Cone was my teacher. In fact, he is one of the best and most challenging teachers I ever had. Cone taught with passion and deep conviction, demanded academic rigor, and insisted that his students treat their studies seriously and rigorously. Cone also remains one of my greatest theological influences. I think I need to acknowledge that my own theology is much more apophatic, naturalistic, and liberal than Cone’s. For example, Cone conceives of God the liberator as an actual being, whereas I conceive of God the liberator as a powerful but humanly constructed “sacred convention” that symbolically engages ultimate reality—what Tillich called “the ground of being.” That being said, I believe Cone offers one of the most compelling interpretations of the gospel in the history of Christian theology. Cone boldly argued that Christianity is not antithetical to black power; it is black power. In my view, this claim is just as revolutionary, prophetic, germane, and vital in 2019 as it was in 1969.

I have also been deeply affected by Cone’s insistence that all theology is contextual and historical. For Cone, theology is not universal language about God, but human and historically conditioned language about God. In other words, it is defined by the cultural situation that gives birth to it and the time and place in which it was written. I call this Cone’s “historicism.” My forthcoming book is about the challenge that historicism poses to modern theology!

Cone’s historicism shaped the way he taught theology. His primary concern as a teacher was to help his students find their own theological voice and discover what is ultimately at stake for them in studying and doing theology. This had a profound effect on me as a student and is something I have tried to carry over into my own teaching.

MBK: It is impossible to speak of Cone and Black Theology without discussing liberation theology. How is liberation theology different from progressive or liberal theology? While the origins of liberation theology are very much tied to the church community, do you think there is a danger that liberation theology can only thrive in academia, in schools, rather than in most churches? What are the challenges of liberation theology in the Black Church and in wider American Christianity?

DW: To be clear, I regard both liberal theology and liberation theology as subsets or aspects of progressive theology. In any case, the main difference between liberal theology and liberation theology is best captured in Gustavo Gutierrez’s distinction between “the problem of the non-believer” and “the problem of the non-person” (a distinction Cone also makes). Most first-world, post-Enlightenment theology has been preoccupied with the problem of the non-believer, that is, with the need to make a case for Christianity’s credibility and relevance in the modern age, an age of science, reason, and modern skepticism. Liberation theology, by contrast, addresses a different problem, what Gutierrez and Cone call “the problem of the non-person.” Gutierrez and Cone were not speaking to secular atheists who no longer believed in God or went to church, but to oppressed peoples who have been enslaved, exploited, disenfranchised, and deprived of their dignity and humanity.

To answer the other part of your question, I would not say that liberation theology has thrived only in academia—consider, for example, the base ecclesial communities in Latin America and the abundance of progressive churches in the United States for which questions of social justice are front and center. However, it is indeed true that liberation theology has thrived chiefly in academia. Does this mitigate the impact of liberation theology? Perhaps. However, to me, the fact that liberation theology has thrived largely in the academic sphere is mostly a good thing, because it has allowed liberation theology to develop freely—or at least with less doctrinal and denominational constraints.

For example, even though black theology is an outgrowth of the black church, black theologians like Cone have not been uncritical of the black church. Cone and others have bemoaned that the work and witness of the black church have not always been in alignment with the gospel of liberation. Thus, black theology has tended to see itself as the critical conscience of the black church, calling on the black church to faithfully live out its true vocation—i.e. to stand with the poor and the oppressed and to join them (and Jesus!) in the struggle for liberation. I think being in the academy has helped black theology to play this critical, prophetic role in relation to the church.

In actuality, black theology, and liberation theology more generally, is accountable to multiple publics, to use David Tracy’s language; it is accountable to the church and the academy and the larger society. This has enabled black theology to become a fairly effective form of public theology—at least relative to other theologies on the contemporary scene.

MBK: Finally, what are you most excited about reading or discussing in your Black Theology class? What are you most looking forward to?

DW: I am excited about a lot of things! I am excited to delve into the black social gospel tradition—which is a relatively new interest for me. I am excited about exploring black humanism, a small, but robust, trajectory within African-American religious thought that offers a nontheistic variant of black theology. I am also excited to read and discuss Cone’s autobiography, Said I Wasn’t Gonna Tell Nobody, which is coming out in October. We will probably be one of the first seminary classes in the country to read and discuss this book.

There are many other things I’m looking forward to as well. Later this month, our class will travel to the Penumbra Theatre to see For Colored Girls: Who Have Considered Suicide/When the Rainbow is Enuf (special thanks to Cindi Beth Johnson for arranging this trip). We will also hear from five guest speakers over the semester: Karen Hutt, Dee McIntosh, Marvin Wickware, Alika Galloway, and Nkosi Anderson. So, there’s lots to be excited about!

 

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Rev. Dr. Molly T. Marshall to Retire in 2027 Following Six Exemplary Years as President

Her Vision and Leadership Have Transformed United Following six historic and transformative years as President of United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities, Rev. Dr. Molly T. Marshall will retire on June 30, 2027, upon completion of the seminary’s 65th academic year. President Marshall secured United’s financial standing, advanced institutional objectives toward long-term sustainability, and catalyzed historic growth in institutional fundraising and student enrollment. Rev. Dr. Marshall assumed her role as Interim President in March 2021 following thorough vetting by a search committee and the Board of Trustees’ unanimous vote. Having served in theological education for more than 40 years, her reputation preceded her. She made headlines as the first woman appointed to the School of Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention. Ordained as a Southern Baptist, she later received the privilege of call by the American Baptist Church.  In 1997, she joined the faculty of Central Baptist Theological Seminary as professor of Theology and Spiritual Formation, thereafter stabilizing and revitalizing the school as President from 2004 to 2020, becoming the first woman ever to lead a Baptist seminary or divinity school. President Marshall’s respect and renown culminated in her executive report on effective seminary leadership, written for The Association of Theological Schools (ATS) before she arrived at United. Her experiences as a congregational minister, feminist theologian, prodigious academician, and her achievements as an administrator in theological education augured well for the seminary’s future in her care. Less than a year later, her position was made permanent, formally making her United’s tenth president, and, desiring to honor United's legacy, she pursued and received clergy standing with the MN United Church of Christ. United trustees outlined a set of priorities at the beginning of President Marshall’s tenure, on which she began immediate work. She invested much of her first several months in office in forming connections with alums, donors, and faculty. She concentrated her relational acumen on Advancement, and donors responded enthusiastically. In September 2021, United announced the Johnson-Fry Chair in World Religions and Intercultural Studies, endowed by Rev. Dr. Andrea Johnson (’17, ’23) and David Fry. Cultivating “respect for the lived religion of others,” as President Marshall often asserts, is a pillar of her scholarship and the seminary’s academic ethos. The Sophia Chair in Religious and Theological Studies, funded by a generous gift from Dr. Mary Farrell Bednarowski—Professor Emerita of Religious Studies (1976–2004)—and her husband and former trustee, Keith Bednarowski, followed in 2024. Finally, in 2025, a cadre of friends, alums, and former faculty established the Wilson Yates Chair in Theology and the Arts. These chairs, paired with substantial growth in endowed scholarships, feature prominently in President Marshall’s legacy and will endure as a witness to her faithful stewardship of alum and donor relations. Rev. Dr. Cindi Beth Johnson, Vice President for Advancement, reflects, “President Marshall’s enthusiasm, attention, and engagement with our donors have been important components of her leadership. She has honored our alums and delighted in our students. Molly has valued United’s history even as she has led us into new ways of being. She has built a culture that reflects her dedication, vision, and generosity. She has been a bright light in the broader community, embodying her passion for and dedication to United. Molly arrived with both expertise and heart, and she has shared them generously. She leaves a lasting imprint, and we are better for that. On a personal note, it has been a great gift to be her colleague.” Historic enrollment has been a fixture of President Marshall’s tenure. Between fall 2020 and fall 2025, degree-seeking student enrollment grew 57 percent, with the seminary welcoming its largest incoming class of degree-seeking students ever in fall 2025. In a climate where many theological schools have experienced stable or declining enrollment, United has surged. The Association of Theological Schools (ATS), one of the seminary’s two accrediting bodies, named United in its 2023 Holiday Colloquy Online issue as one of only 18 ATS-accredited seminaries to have demonstrated “steady year-over-year growth during the past five years.” President Marshall has positioned United as a leader in progressive theological education and a model for historically Mainline Christian schools. Commenting on what makes the seminary unique, President Marshall astutely noted United’s “desirable curriculum that emphasizes social transformation, theology and the arts, interreligious engagement, and public theology” and the intentional welcome of “students with myriad religious, spiritual, and theological leanings.” She sharpened and raised the seminary’s prophetic voice, believing that progressive theological education exists to serve the common good. From considerable growth in the Interreligious Chaplaincy program to the establishment of the Sims Scholars Initiative, she has expanded the student body’s depth and breadth. Under President Marshall’s fastidious leadership, United completed a Five-Year Strategic Plan in 2026. David S. Anderson, former Chair of the Board of Trustees (2020–2026), witnessed firsthand President Marshall’s effective management of United’s revitalization and her manifold accomplishments in office. On his close friend and colleague, David writes, “In her writings, President Marshall, Molly to me, once observed, ‘. . . following the Spirit will require of all of us faith—all the guidance we usually get is enough to take the next uncertain step.’ United, in late 2020, was indeed in a state of uncertainty, and President Marshall’s emergence as its next president must be seen as a revelation of the Spirit. She has led United to a platform of stability from which it will move forward with confidence, heeding the Spirit toward an uncertain, as human endeavors are, but bright and sustainable future.” Dr. Kyle Roberts, Dean and Vice President for Academic Affairs, shared the news of President Marshall’s retirement with students this morning. With profound gratitude for her enrichment of the seminary’s faculty and scholarship, he remarked, “President Marshall has been just the leader this seminary needed to reclaim its vision, its vibrancy, and its voice in theological education. She has led a process of internal healing and of increasing external influence. She has been a champion of rigorous but applied theological education for spiritual leadership, supporting and encouraging the faculty in their teaching and the staff in their work. United,” he affirmed, “will always be indebted to her years of service and to her passion and care in moving the seminary to its next stage. United is, once again, a leading voice in progressive seminary education in large part because of President Marshall.” Rev. Dr. Dianne Oliver, Chair of the Board of Trustees, celebrates President Marshall’s transformative tenure and looks toward a bright future ahead. She affirms, “President Marshall’s impact on United is really extraordinary, and she will leave a profound legacy at the institution. Clearly, she has been successful in the ways often highlighted for an outstanding President—record enrollment, expanded academic programs, and financial stability, building a strong foundation for the next steps on United’s journey. Add to these leadership successes Molly’s theological acumen and prophetic voice in challenging times, and it is easy to see the scope of her leadership. Just as importantly, though, Molly has helped create a deep sense of community among the faculty, staff, students, trustees, and the broader community who support the work of United. Her leadership and accomplishments ensure United will keep living into the fullness of its mission and vision as the context for theological education continues to evolve.” Reflecting on her service to the seminary, President Marshall writes, “Serving as United’s President has been a joyful pursuit over these past several years as I have lived into the storied history of this good seminary. I have been invited into a theologically expansive landscape where courageous learning and creative ministries have renewed my own vocation in theological education.” She continues, “Faculty, staff, students, board members, donors, and friends have welcomed me to help craft this chapter of our shared mission. I could not be more grateful for the opportunity to serve as United’s tenth president. (Don’t say goodbye to me yet; there’s still work to be done!)” A Presidential Search Committee, comprised of trustees and representatives from the student body, alums, faculty, and staff, has been engaged in faithful preparation ahead of the public search for President Marshall’s successor. The seminary will share details about this process in the days ahead. Friends and colleagues from throughout President Marshall’s career were invited to submit reflections in her honor. These have been published on our announcement page. United eagerly anticipates celebrating President Marshall and her myriad contributions to the life of the seminary community during special events in spring 2027. Details will be made available in the months ahead. Strengthened and invigorated by President Marshall’s faithful leadership over these six years, United enters its 65th year of progressive theological education, steadfast in its mission: preparing innovative and compassionate leaders for the equipping of churches, other faith communities, and society toward justice and peace. Honoring President Marshall In celebration of President Marshall's tenure, a webpage featuring images, reflections by friends and colleagues, and opportunities to honor her achievements is now available. Visit the link below to learn more. Learn More About United Founded by the United Church of Christ (UCC) as a welcoming, ecumenical school that embraces all denominations and faith traditions, United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities has been on the creative edge of progressive theological thought and leadership since it was established in 1962. Today, United continues to educate leaders who, through the eyes of faith, engage in the dismantling of systems of oppression, exploring multi-faith spirituality, and pushing the boundaries of knowledge. Media Contact Nathanial Green (he/him) Director of Marketing and Communications press@unitedseminary.edu • 651.255.6138

St. Mark’s UCC Gifts an Endowed Scholarship to United

United graduates have an impact on United in countless ways. President Molly T. Marshall notes that they are, in fact, our letters of recommendation. They embody the educational experience they had at United in the work they pursue, in how they live out their faith traditions, and in the impact they have in the world.  We see this in myriad ways. There is the alum who is a recurring donor and the alum who creates a legacy gift to support future students. There is the alum who introduces President Marshall to a new donor. And there is the alum who sees another person’s interest in theological education and encourages them to pursue a degree at United. Recently, we have seen up close the impact of the work of Rev. Jennifer Jaimez (’98). Jennifer’s first call was to St. Mark’s UCC in Bloomington, Minnesota, which was founded in 1954. Jennifer served at St. Mark’s for 28 years and, like other pastors, she had a significant influence on members and the broader community. St. Mark’s also had an impact on United. During Jennifer’s ministry, eight students from United completed nine-month internships at St. Mark’s. As interns, these students were part of a learning community that helped them hone skills in teaching, preaching, counseling, and administration. The congregation, along with Jennifer, mentored and encouraged them. They have all gone on to do a multitude of things: serving in nonprofits, rural churches, city churches, and more. St. Mark’s investment in United students had a significant impact.  As for many congregations, the pandemic was difficult for St. Mark’s. Three years ago, they made the painful decision to complete their ministry and intentionally repurpose their assets while it was still their choice. In addition to supporting the Minnesota Conference UCC and the Bloomington Housing and Redevelopment Authority, they made a significant gift to United. A relationship that began with mentoring interns grew into a newly endowed UCC scholarship. The St. Mark’s endowed scholarship will provide financial support for UCC students who wish to attend seminary. This gift creates an enduring legacy for St. Mark’s and will provide support for future students. As the gift was announced, their moderator, Cindy Russell,  said, “This gift will defray the cost of seminary education. Support for future leaders of the church remains important as the church continues to evolve into new ways of being the church.”  This spring, we have been blessed to establish several new endowed scholarships in addition to the one from St. Mark’s. Estate gifts from Joanne* (’82) and Thomas* Rohrict, and Elden* (Yankon, ’55) and Norma* Zuern have created a lasting legacy and investment in United. A recent gift from George (Mission House, ’55) and Joyce Schowalter will allow them to see, while they are living, the impact of scholarship support. Currently, 57 percent of scholarships are covered by generous gifts and endowed scholarships. The other 43 percent is paid out of United’s annual budget. Each scholarship gift, each new endowed scholarship, or gift to an already endowed scholarship, helps us expand offerings to our students. We don’t want financial limitations to become a barrier for students who feel called to attend United.  Your scholarship gifts supported Jennifer while she was a student. Her experience at United, along with the skills she has learned along the way, helped her shepherd St. Mark’s for more than two decades and through the difficult decision to complete their ministry. Your gifts to United continue to make this happen. We give thanks for the lasting legacies created by these and many other faithful donors.  __________________________ * Deceased

Alum Rev. Todd Lippert (’03): Living a Public Ministry

As Rev. Todd Lippert was growing up, his life was dominated by two constants: music and church. Both of his parents were music teachers. His dad was the high school choir director, and his mom was the elementary school music teacher. Though his family had been Baptist for generations, they ended up attending a United Church of Christ (UCC) church where his mom was hired to play the organ. It was also much closer to home than the nearest Baptist church.  “I always took Christian faith very seriously,” Todd asserts. “The church was a sacred and holy place to me.” In seventh grade, Todd remembers talking to his father. “I was at the bottom of the stairs talking to my dad at the top of the stairs. And that was when I said for the first time, ‘I wonder if I might want to be a pastor someday.’”  But, Todd adds, “the idea was really terrifying to me,” so he put it out of his mind. At the University of Iowa, he pursued a music degree. During a philosophy class toward the end of college, a professed atheist professor began asking some of the same questions about faith that Todd was confronting. “I was wrestling with whether I was a Christian or not.”   Deciding on Seminary The turning point came one Sunday morning after graduation when Todd and his wife were at church. At the time, he was selling Yellow Pages ads and contemplating an MBA. “I hated it,” Todd confesses. “I was miserable.” Watching the preacher at First United Methodist Church in Iowa City, he thought, “Maybe I could do that, and maybe I need to pay attention to this call to ministry that keeps bubbling up.” United was the first UCC seminary that came up on the computer, and when Todd visited, “it felt like home for me as soon as I arrived.” Since his wife was doing graduate work at the University of Minnesota, they moved to the Twin Cities.  “At United,” Todd recalls, “I had the space to figure out how Christianity was meaningful and how this faith fit together for me.” Professors who welcomed and encouraged his questions were key to his faith formation, and the “liberation theology that moved through the curriculum, with its focus on justice, was extremely appealing to me.”  Todd was also inspired by his classmates. “I saw the student body deeply engaged in the political and social questions of the day.” At United from 2000 to 2003, Todd experienced the Bush v. Gore lawsuit, 9/11 terror attacks, Minnesota senator Paul Wellstone’s tragic death, and the Iraq war launch as he was earning his MDiv.    Public Theology Justice-seeking activism, Todd asserts, “really cemented my understanding that the body of Christ is about bringing the realm of God into being wherever it is. And that was something that would have to make my life better and make my community better.” Since graduating, Todd has worked as a UCC pastor, a Minnesota state legislator (2018–2022), a community organizer with ISAIAH, and a community minister with Creekside Church. The clergy organizing work during Operation Metro Surge was especially impactful and reconnected him with United. Todd went through “nonviolent direct action training with Dr. Rita Nakashima Brock, one of the authors I read.” He also worked with Rev. Dr. Carolyn Pressler, his former Hebrew scripture professor.  United, notes Todd, equipped him “to be able to understand what is going on in our world, and in our communities, and I had the tools to get better and better at that, reading the present through a biblical and theological lens.” He is extraordinarily proud of the way the church showed up in Minnesota and grateful for United. “I really want,” Todd concludes, “the love-your-neighbor values of the church to be a force in our public life, not an afterthought. I want it to be a force in our political life.”